I have two separate friebds who are hugely obese and who are having joint and disc problems. Hard to watch. I wish they could just get the weight off for good.
posted March 5th, 2012 at 3:24pm in Toddler
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- I'm sure they wish that way more than you do 3-5-2012 3:25pm +2 likes
- that's like wishing your gay dfs were straight 3-5-2012 3:25pm
- or that lindsay lohan would get clean 3-5-2012 3:26pm
- exaaaactly 3-5-2012 3:27pm
- Not really. Being gay is not a health threat, and people CAN lose weight, while you can't pray away the gay. 3-5-2012 3:26pm
- NP I've been fat forever, not like OP's friends, but I feel like it's almost that hard to sustain a low body weight if you've gotten heavy. I'm still functional, but I'm ...(more) 3-5-2012 3:28pm
- np- I've lost 45 lbs and it is still daily vigilance to maintain good habits. You have to change a lot of things about your life. It is doable, however and the rewards are what is...(more) 3-5-2012 3:34pm
- I lost and gained 50 lbs. This is not a good place to be. 3-5-2012 3:34pm
- I understand. 3-5-2012 3:35pm
- ditto- multitple times 3-5-2012 3:51pm
- I lost and gained 50 lbs. This is not a good place to be. 3-5-2012 3:34pm
- np- I've lost 45 lbs and it is still daily vigilance to maintain good habits. You have to change a lot of things about your life. It is doable, however and the rewards are what is...(more) 3-5-2012 3:34pm
- 1) gays are at risk for health problems straight people are not. 2) obese people cannot "just lose weight" and even if they do, they are genetically susceptible to putting it on...(more) 3-5-2012 3:28pm
- NP Gays are not at risk for health problems that are not problems for straight people. 3-5-2012 3:29pm +2 likes
- they absolutely are. 3-5-2012 3:30pm
- yep - not just HIV either 3-5-2012 3:32pm
- The only person I know who is HIV+ is a straight woman who had sex ith the wrong guy at age 20. The biggest risk is thinking you're not at risk because of your demographic. 3-5-2012 3:32pm
- except i'm not thinking of HIV AT ALL. and included a link 3-5-2012 3:32pm
- A link to health problems that also apply to straights. And the analogy doesn't work anyway since gay is not a choice. 3-5-2012 3:34pm +1 like
- gays have a higher risk than straights just as obese have higher risk than normal weight. Not to mention homosexuality is influenced by nurture as much as obesity is by nature 3-5-2012 3:36pm -1 dislike
- Risk of WHAT? 3-5-2012 3:36pm
- ^You don't seem to understand that a higher prevalence of HIV in gay populations has to do with disease vectors, not that they're gay. In populations where the disease vector...(more) 3-5-2012 3:37pm
- np Thank you. 3-5-2012 3:38pm
- Of the enumerated health risks we were just talking about! 3-5-2012 3:38pm
- Nobody enumerated any health risks, but as I said, even if you did, you would merely demonstrate your lack of epidemiological survey knowledge. 3-5-2012 3:39pm
- The link is provided below which discusses health pr...(more) 3-5-2012 3:44pm Problems gay men are at higher risk for. You have a problem, take it up with the Mayo Clini
- As I have said innumerable times and you fail to read, those are temporary affects of vector and have nothing to do with gayness. And the vector affects disappear over time. 3-5-2012 3:45pm
- The link is provided below which discusses health pr...(more) 3-5-2012 3:44pm
- Nobody enumerated any health risks, but as I said, even if you did, you would merely demonstrate your lack of epidemiological survey knowledge. 3-5-2012 3:39pm
- ^You don't seem to understand that a higher prevalence of HIV in gay populations has to do with disease vectors, not that they're gay. In populations where the disease vector...(more) 3-5-2012 3:37pm
- Exactly. Elderly people are at higher risk of all of these things, teenage girls. Gayness is not a choice nor is that level of obesity. 3-5-2012 3:38pm
- Thank you. These women are so up in arm about perceived discrimination against gays, but only in order to discriminate against the obese! 3-5-2012 3:40pm
- Risk of WHAT? 3-5-2012 3:36pm
- gays have a higher risk than straights just as obese have higher risk than normal weight. Not to mention homosexuality is influenced by nurture as much as obesity is by nature 3-5-2012 3:36pm -1 dislike
- A link to health problems that also apply to straights. And the analogy doesn't work anyway since gay is not a choice. 3-5-2012 3:34pm +1 like
- except i'm not thinking of HIV AT ALL. and included a link 3-5-2012 3:32pm
- ^^^...(more) 3-5-2012 3:32pm
- All of these issues are risks for other straight demographic groups. 3-5-2012 3:33pm +2 likes
- This. 3-5-2012 3:33pm
- But gay men have a HIGHER RISK. Just as obese people are at HIGHER RISK for diabetes, etc 3-5-2012 3:35pm
- A HIGHER risk of what? And in what population? In Thailand, straight people have a HIGHER risk. You haven't made any point yet. 3-5-2012 3:36pm +1 like
- but im assuming OP doesnt live in thailand! We are talking about here 3-5-2012 3:38pm
- Right - even here, it's a result of vector, not gayness. And over time, the vector effect will be gone, too. So there's no point even in that part of the discussion. 3-5-2012 3:40pm
- so what is your contention? Obese people choose to be obese and genetics do not play a role? 3-5-2012 3:43pm
- No. You're putting words in my mouth because you have no argument against my real point. Like being black, being gay is immutable. Being obese is not immutable. It's really...(more) 3-5-2012 3:44pm
- it's simple only bc you have a simple mind and ignore science 3-5-2012 3:46pm
- As someone who has no understanding of disease vector, to the point that you are unable to even respond to that point, your ignorance of science is waving a bright rainbow flag. 3-5-2012 3:48pm
- wtf? 3-5-2012 3:56pm
- As someone who has no understanding of disease vector, to the point that you are unable to even respond to that point, your ignorance of science is waving a bright rainbow flag. 3-5-2012 3:48pm
- it's simple only bc you have a simple mind and ignore science 3-5-2012 3:46pm
- No. You're putting words in my mouth because you have no argument against my real point. Like being black, being gay is immutable. Being obese is not immutable. It's really...(more) 3-5-2012 3:44pm
- so what is your contention? Obese people choose to be obese and genetics do not play a role? 3-5-2012 3:43pm
- Right - even here, it's a result of vector, not gayness. And over time, the vector effect will be gone, too. So there's no point even in that part of the discussion. 3-5-2012 3:40pm
- but im assuming OP doesnt live in thailand! We are talking about here 3-5-2012 3:38pm
- A HIGHER risk of what? And in what population? In Thailand, straight people have a HIGHER risk. You haven't made any point yet. 3-5-2012 3:36pm +1 like
- All of these issues are risks for other straight demographic groups. 3-5-2012 3:33pm +2 likes
- I am a medical professional and yes gay men extremely frequently are at tremendous risk for a vast array of health issues 3-5-2012 3:32pm
- So are women, the elderly, children. Not sure how that's relevant. 3-5-2012 3:32pm
- Curious, what are some risks? 3-5-2012 3:33pm
- a huge risk in so many areas. Look them up 3-5-2012 3:36pm
- Not that interested. I thought since you knew you might list a few. 3-5-2012 3:37pm
- She doesn't really know. She just knows she likes to hate teh Gays. And even if she were right (and she's not) she still hasn't addressed that it's not a choice, so her entire...(more) 3-5-2012 3:38pm
- np: so you are saying the morbid obese choose to be so? 3-5-2012 3:41pm
- I wouldn't couch it as a choice, but many, if not all people, can affect their level of obesity, but gays can't AT ALL. Just like comparing being fat to being black. 3-5-2012 3:42pm
- except this is not true. Studies have shown that environment can play a role in homosexuality and that obesity is overwhelmingly genetic 3-5-2012 3:45pm
- No. No studies have shown this. 3-5-2012 3:46pm
- ^ and now we get to your real point. You want to cure gayness, and you are in fact a bigot. 3-5-2012 3:46pm
- wtf? I dont want to cure gayness it cannot be cured. MUCH LIKE OBESITY 3-5-2012 3:47pm
- Well, I just lost 50 pounds this year, so obesity can be cured. Gayness can't. One is immutable and one isn't. 3-5-2012 3:48pm
- 1 year is hardly proof i'm sorry to tell you 3-5-2012 3:49pm
- well, gays can't become un-gay for one year, so there's already a difference. 3-5-2012 3:50pm
- They could have sex with the opposite sex for a year. But they will go back. Like most people who lose large amounts of weight 3-5-2012 3:52pm
- That doesn't make them not gay, it just makes them a gay person having sex that disgustts them. Whereas if a fat person loses the weight, they become not a fat person. 3-5-2012 3:53pm
- Temporarily. Because genetically, they are predisposed to being obese 3-5-2012 3:55pm
- That doesn't make them not gay, it just makes them a gay person having sex that disgustts them. Whereas if a fat person loses the weight, they become not a fat person. 3-5-2012 3:53pm
- They could have sex with the opposite sex for a year. But they will go back. Like most people who lose large amounts of weight 3-5-2012 3:52pm
- well, gays can't become un-gay for one year, so there's already a difference. 3-5-2012 3:50pm
- 1 year is hardly proof i'm sorry to tell you 3-5-2012 3:49pm
- Well, I just lost 50 pounds this year, so obesity can be cured. Gayness can't. One is immutable and one isn't. 3-5-2012 3:48pm
- and you would not if you could? 3-5-2012 3:50pm
- Would not do what if I could? 3-5-2012 3:51pm
- ^well?? Would not do what? 3-5-2012 3:54pm
- Would not do what if I could? 3-5-2012 3:51pm
- wtf? I dont want to cure gayness it cannot be cured. MUCH LIKE OBESITY 3-5-2012 3:47pm
- ^ and now we get to your real point. You want to cure gayness, and you are in fact a bigot. 3-5-2012 3:46pm
- No. No studies have shown this. 3-5-2012 3:46pm
- except this is not true. Studies have shown that environment can play a role in homosexuality and that obesity is overwhelmingly genetic 3-5-2012 3:45pm
- I wouldn't couch it as a choice, but many, if not all people, can affect their level of obesity, but gays can't AT ALL. Just like comparing being fat to being black. 3-5-2012 3:42pm
- np: so you are saying the morbid obese choose to be so? 3-5-2012 3:41pm
- She doesn't really know. She just knows she likes to hate teh Gays. And even if she were right (and she's not) she still hasn't addressed that it's not a choice, so her entire...(more) 3-5-2012 3:38pm
- Not that interested. I thought since you knew you might list a few. 3-5-2012 3:37pm
- a huge risk in so many areas. Look them up 3-5-2012 3:36pm
- yep - read And the Band Played On 3-5-2012 3:34pm
- I have and there are no issues that don't apply to straight men. 3-5-2012 3:35pm
- agree, extremely promiscuous straight males also are at risk for many health issues, but gay males are far more at risk. Not lesbians 3-5-2012 3:37pm
- I have and there are no issues that don't apply to straight men. 3-5-2012 3:35pm
- When did the ignoramus show up? 3-5-2012 3:33pm
- Really?? You think HIV and other std's are only problems gay people have? You are in big trouble then. 3-5-2012 3:34pm
- OOPs - responded in the wrong direction then, bc I agree with you. Was calling the homophobe an ignoramus, not you. 3-5-2012 3:35pm
- i am not a homophobe for pointing out that gay men have certain health risks. I am not advocating discriminating against them bc of it. 3-5-2012 3:37pm
- To what end were you pointing that out though? It seems to me you were trying to imply that it's ok to advocate that someone stop being gay to avoid health risks. 3-5-2012 3:40pm
- No. That is what you want to believe. I am saying it is as wrong to believe an obese person can just drop weight as a gay person can just be straight. And both groups have soecial...(more) 3-5-2012 3:42pm
- That's absurd. Being fat is mutable. Being gay isn't. Would you make the same argument about being black? Is it as impossible to lose weight as it is to become un-black? 3-5-2012 3:44pm
- no being fat is mutable. Being obese may not be 3-5-2012 3:49pm
- What's the difference? "Obese" is just "really, really fat". But ok, so long as you're already backtracking on most of your argument... 3-5-2012 3:50pm
- there is a considerable difference between being merely overweight, being obese, and being morbidly obese. Why dont you know this? 3-5-2012 3:54pm
- What's the difference? "Obese" is just "really, really fat". But ok, so long as you're already backtracking on most of your argument... 3-5-2012 3:50pm
- no being fat is mutable. Being obese may not be 3-5-2012 3:49pm
- That's absurd. Being fat is mutable. Being gay isn't. Would you make the same argument about being black? Is it as impossible to lose weight as it is to become un-black? 3-5-2012 3:44pm
- I'm guessing you won't get a substantive response to this, or you'll get a pretense that being gay is as mutable as being fat. 3-5-2012 3:43pm
- LOL - I guessed right. 3-5-2012 3:45pm
- No. That is what you want to believe. I am saying it is as wrong to believe an obese person can just drop weight as a gay person can just be straight. And both groups have soecial...(more) 3-5-2012 3:42pm
- You are if you doggedly refuse to understand the difference between a temporary vector result and health risks caused by gayness. The former are temporary and the latter don't...(more) 3-5-2012 3:41pm
- To what end were you pointing that out though? It seems to me you were trying to imply that it's ok to advocate that someone stop being gay to avoid health risks. 3-5-2012 3:40pm
- i am not a homophobe for pointing out that gay men have certain health risks. I am not advocating discriminating against them bc of it. 3-5-2012 3:37pm
- OOPs - responded in the wrong direction then, bc I agree with you. Was calling the homophobe an ignoramus, not you. 3-5-2012 3:35pm
- Really?? You think HIV and other std's are only problems gay people have? You are in big trouble then. 3-5-2012 3:34pm
- they absolutely are. 3-5-2012 3:30pm
- NP Gays are not at risk for health problems that are not problems for straight people. 3-5-2012 3:29pm +2 likes
- NP I've been fat forever, not like OP's friends, but I feel like it's almost that hard to sustain a low body weight if you've gotten heavy. I'm still functional, but I'm ...(more) 3-5-2012 3:28pm
- Not at all. Please. 3-5-2012 3:32pm
- or that lindsay lohan would get clean 3-5-2012 3:26pm
- they probably feel the same way. it is motivation to lose weight but it is hard to break a true addiction to food nevertheless. 3-5-2012 3:26pm
- People do it. 3-5-2012 3:35pm
- and many fail. it is very hard for many to lose weight. 3-5-2012 3:40pm
- People do it. 3-5-2012 3:35pm
- self-perpetuating problem at that point, though. Unfortunately. 3-5-2012 3:26pm
- where do you live that you have 2 obese friends? 3-5-2012 3:29pm
- omg 3-5-2012 3:30pm
- why omg? I've lived in LA and NYC and besides for one DF's DH (who ended up doing lapband) I don't know any obese people 3-5-2012 3:33pm -1 dislike
- omg 3-5-2012 3:30pm
- would they consider a lapband? 3-5-2012 3:30pm