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  1. Elementary Need advice. my son was involved in a physical altercation and the parent talked with my son before me...(more) 5-16-2015 2:15am (27 replies)
    I received a call from my son's old football coach. He said he had a talk with my son because my son hit his with a bat at the ball field the night before. When I asked what happened he said he wasn't sure, just that my son was mad and hit his in the stomach with the bat. I asked what caused my son to be that mad but he had no answer. When my son got home I talked with him about the dangers of using a bat on someone and grounded him until further notice. Yet I knew my son was in a happy mood right before the incident so I asked what happened. He said they both wanted to bat first and when he went to the batters box the other child pushed and shoved him. He claims he told the kid to stop and he wouldn't and after a minute or so he got mad and swung the bat to get the kid to stop. I'm not defending my son's actions on using the bat but I'm highly pissed that this kid was pushing and shoving mine and the parent putting all blame on my son and speaking with h
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    • your child is over the age of 10? I assume.... and HIT SOMEONE WITH A BAT>....FOR BEING SHOVED???? You don't see the difference here? your son is a hot head, and likely going to...(more) 5-16-2015 2:17am
      abuse a girlfriend or end up in a bar fight. Now if you told me your 17yo punched some dude until he was blue for him hitting a girl or something i would shrug and say...deserved. But for shoving him? Teach your kid not to escalate using weapons. He should have shoved him back at most.
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      • damn you escalated that quickly. OP your son's a jerk but I don't think he's going to be a wife beater. 5-16-2015 2:22am
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        • i disagree. its the rapists and abusers who have moms who make excuses for their hot head egotistical kids from birth 5-16-2015 2:23am
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          • true, I was married to an abuser whose mother watched him beat me and said "what did you do to make him so angry". sigh. 5-16-2015 2:24am
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            • yup, and the rapists moms who defend their child and make excuses to court and town, and get their lawyer friends to defend them. Its a creepy thing I have noticed. 5-16-2015 2:30am
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        • - no subject -...(more) 5-16-2015 2:34am
          First of all he is 10. I don't appreciate him being called a jerk. I'm dealing with him. I was needing advice on talking to the parent to maybe prevent these issues from happening in the first place. A history lesson on my household: I was beat as a child therefore I don't spank or hit my children because I don't want them to think it's OK to hit people. My son is being punished so im not claiming his innocence. If I'm going to be attacked for seeking advice for an issue maybe I picked the wrong forum. I thought this was a place to go for advice.
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          • we are giving advice. clearly your parenting is NOT teaching him not to hit people. So.. you are getting mad at us because you want to blame another parent for the reason your...(more) 5-16-2015 2:37am
            10yo took a bat to another 10yo in anger. You can say we are being mean or not helpful, but we are saving you from making a fool of yourself by blaming another adult for something that solely rests on your sons actions and choices. You in no way are correct that the other parent/adult shouldn't have spoken to him. Of course he should have. And your son very well could be lying about how many times he was pushed or how long the other boy was pushing him before he hit him with the bat. YOu want me to believe your son stood there for minutes being pushed with the bat in his hand (that he forgot he had) and did nothing, until he finally swing the bat at the kid? What if he hit him in the head?
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          • No one is judging you for asking advice, but you're totally avoiding the big issue here. Yeah, ideally, other parents wouldn't discipline your kids, but your kid fucking hit...(more) 5-16-2015 2:38am
            someone with a bat. That's a big deal and warrants discipline right away. Glad you're dealing with it. Also a jerk is the nicest thing I could have called him. Hitting someone with a baseball bat is a pretty jerk move.
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          • I did not call your son names, but I have been trying to encourage you to understand that no one in this situation is at fault but your son. I am also not the type of person who...(more) 5-16-2015 2:45am
            blames the behavior of all children on the parents who are raising them. Some kids hit some do not despite whether they are spanked in the home. My larger point is that you are focusing on the wrong thing: speak to the parent to what end? there is nothing he nor his child could do or could have done to prevent your son from deciding to use a bat against the other child. I believe you know that, but your instincts to protect your son first are making you think there was another way to handle this aside from the adult stopping your son - but there wasn't.
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            • - no subject -...(more) 5-16-2015 3:03am
              I appreciate you speaking in an understanding tone. There were no adults the kids were playing on a clear field while the parents and I were watching the younger siblings play. The parent waited till the next day to talk to my son. I took hom to church, saw the parent and we spoke. He waited till I wasn't there to talk to my son then called me later. I offered to go with him to the ER to have his son checked out and I would pay the bill. He said it wasn't needed. I'm not trying to let my son get out of this Or protect him from his part In this but I do think it shadey that the guy waited till I left to talk with my son. I think I have every right to be involved/ notified of something that serious. I do think it's rediculous that kids at the age of 10 want to shove each other around until it escalates that far and I do hold my son accountable for his part. I hope you realize that. Maybe I'm just from a world where parents are informed. This is a scary first for
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              • I am not very clear on the series of events here. Initially you made it sound as if you were not present for the incident, the other adult was, that adult stopped your son an...(more) 5-16-2015 3:10am
                then called you afterwards to relate the story to you. Now however you seem to be saying that you were at the scene, but didn't see it, the following day at church you heard about it for the first time from the other adult who reached out to tell you, you two spoke and then the adult spoke to your son afterwards? Either way, everything seems above board. The adult already notified you. Its not creepy, nothing horrible happened and your son was probably a little scared and or intimidated which give the circumstances is OK. Kids sometimes have to be made uncomfortable, this is life.
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                • - no subject -...(more) 5-16-2015 3:25am
                  Incident happened at the park. I was at the same park on another field watching my other son's game when it happened. Other parent finds out that same night, not me. Next day go to church and talk with the parent about upcoming church camp, nothing has been said at all to me yet about the incident. I leave and then he talks to my son. After church parent calls me to tell me what happened and that he talked to my son. When my son gets home I talked to my son. He gets punished. Next day I get calls from other parents whose kids told them of the incident. There's the timeline. Sorry to confuse you its hard for me to write everything in 1000 characters in the begining.
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                  • Alright so I undrerstand now, but again, you are just parsing details. The fact is that the bat was used, that had to be the focus, don't let your son see you second guessing...(more) 5-16-2015 3:33am
                    yourself or the other adult, he needs to get the message - everything else you are describing is just window dressing details. Punish your son, appear united with the other adult, let it go. Maybe the other childs father is a jerk, who knows, its not important.
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      • - no subject -...(more) 5-16-2015 2:25am
        I'm mot defending my son in any way. I stated that but with only 1000 characters to write I had to make it short as posible. My son is definitely in trouble. The shoving went on for a few minutes until yes he lost his temper. I asked why he didn't throw the bat down and he said he didn't event think about the bat being in his hand. My issue is the kid pushing and shoving to begin with and the parent talking with my kid before he even let me know there had been an incident And the parents lack of knowledge of what the kids where even doing and how the fight started before parenting my child. He is 10 years old by the way.
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        • But you are missing the point because you are trying to find someone other tan your child to blame. None of the things you cited matter except that he hit someone with a baseball...(more) 5-16-2015 2:29am
          bat. That had to stop immediately, whether he meant to or not, the other adult was right to stop it, right to speak to him, right not to 'wait' until he OKed talking to your son with you, no harm was done to your son the only harm done was to the other boy. Kids fight, why and how it started is meaningless when the violence escalates to real danger. Which it had.
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        • well, you don't know what happened either. you are believing your son, who hit someone with a bat and knows he is in deep shit. Who knows how much he is lying. And you can't...(more) 5-16-2015 2:29am
          expect one adult to see everything. And maybe he is lying as the other kids parent. who knows. but you nee to get your kid under control. unless the other kid came at him with a weapon, you don't hit someone with a fucking bat. And you saying :well, your kid shoved him first, why did you talk to my kid: well... he spoke to your kid because he hit another kid with a bat.... you get that right?
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          • I believe my son because 2 other parents called to tell me what happened according to their children who were worried about mine because if the shoving. I'm not playing victim...(more) 5-16-2015 2:44am
            And I'm not going just off my my son's word. I actually called him a lier which was crappy on my part until I got the other calls I didn't believe him.
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            • i think this is a fake post now. you went too far. give me a break 5-16-2015 2:46am
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            • Ok, fine, but none of that matters. You are mulling over all of the wrong things here and you need to get over it. Your son used a bat, end of story. Deal wth that, deal with...(more) 5-16-2015 2:50am
              him and move on. You are parsing the hell out of this very simple story in order to find some sort of defense for your child, but in this instance there is none. Just punish him, have him apologize to child and adult and move on. This is a blip.
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            • This is becoming ridiculous, where on earth do you live where people take the time to call each other to gossip about the goings on of 10 year old boys in a dugout? 5-16-2015 2:53am
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    • You are focusing on the wrong issue here. Stop trying to find a way to feel victimized and deal with yout kid who has the real problem. So what if an adult other than you talked...(more) 5-16-2015 2:22am
      to your son, he needed a talking to, its not like the other kids father beat your kid up.
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    • "I'm highly pissed that this kid was pushing and shoving mine" yeah, but lady, your kid hit someone with a fucking BASEBALL BAT 5-16-2015 2:23am
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    • Your kid hit someone with a bat, all bets for everything is off. Be happy he was stopped before he seroiusly hurt someone. 5-16-2015 2:30am
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      • I am definitely happy the kid was not seriously hurt. Am I wrong for thinking these things need to be prevented in the first place?...(more) 5-16-2015 3:31am
        My kid screwed up and used the bat instead of throwing it down first . If the bat wasn't involved it would have still been a shoving match or fist fight or something. Either way it shouldn't have happened. None of the kids need to be pushing hitting or using weapons.
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        • Sure it would be nice in an ideal world if kids didn't fight...but since the dawn of time...it is what it is, just let it go. Your son made a big mistake, punish him, don't make...(more) 5-16-2015 3:34am
          an issue out of anything other than what he did wrong and he will likely not do it again. If you show doubt at all or question the adults/other kid the message will be "i can do what I want mom will blame anyone but me' bad lesson.
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    • I hear what youre saying. True what your child did was wrong but the whole story wasn't presented. I get it. 5-16-2015 5:37am
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    • In this situation I would my kid that I don't care what anyone else did you never react like that. Leave it there. Apologize to the parents and deal with your child's reaction...(more) 5-16-2015 6:54am
      which was highly inappropriate.
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  2. Elementary St. Marys Feeding clinic...(more) 5-15-2015 6:17pm (0 replies)
    does anyone have any experience with the feeding clinic at St. Marys hospital in Queens? I am thinking about it for my 8 year old ds who has severe feeding issues.
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  3. Elementary Strategy to get related services agreement on IEP (for OT in a sensory gym)? For Turning 5 meeting....(more) 5-14-2015 9:56am (0 replies)
    I understand that if you send your child to a public school (which we are doing) then OT and PT is provided in the school. We would like to keep our son at the sensory gym where he currently receives CPSE services, partly because we think he will get better treatment and that the equipment there is necessary for good sensory processing treatment, and also because we don't want him being pulled out of class in order to get his PT and OT services. Any suggestions for strategies to negotiate this and get a related services agreement? Thank you.
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  4. Elementary Real estate moms, buyers just withdrew their offer, and we've now lost a few weeks. Does this weaken us now in that we've been on the market almost a month? It's Manhattan. 5-8-2015 11:50pm (4 replies)
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    • shitty studio apt? 5-8-2015 11:55pm
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    • Family size. I'm amom, thus on He 5-8-2015 11:58pm
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    • no, you are likely to get more money now 5-8-2015 11:59pm
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      • I like you. Please be right. 5-9-2015 12:00am
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  5. Elementary Relocating for job in marina del rey, ca. where do we look to live - 2 elementary kids 5-8-2015 11:31pm (1 reply)
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    • Manhattan beach 5-8-2015 11:32pm
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  6. Elementary SUmmer camps in Westchester...(more) 5-8-2015 10:55am (1 reply)
    We have toured a few summer camps including Mohawk, Hillard, Squires, Elmwood, etc.
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  7. Elementary SUmmer camps in Westchester...(more) 5-8-2015 10:54am (0 replies)
    I have toured a few camps in Westchester, Mohawk, Hillard, Squires, etc. I have found some reviews but seem outdated.
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  8. Elementary Growth Hormone? Wanted to see if DD has growth deficiency. She is 7 and less than 5% doctor says fine, should I check with endocrinologist? Any recs? 4-30-2015 12:04pm (8 replies)
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    • has she always been less than 5%? you should post on toddler btw 4-30-2015 12:05pm
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    • my dd is same but genetically it's unsurprising so we don't question it. are you in nyc? do have a good ped. endo if you are 4-30-2015 12:06pm
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      • np-how old does dc have to be to get tested? 4-30-2015 12:10pm
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        • df found out during her amnio....he ds has a specific "short gene"....I can't remember the exact name. He just started the shots. 4-30-2015 12:14pm
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          • that sounds like a form of dwarfism. I don't think there's any known gene for growth hormone deficiency 4-30-2015 12:17pm
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            • there is. he has it. It's a rare genetic defect, but not dwarfism. 4-30-2015 12:18pm
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        • dc can be tested for growth hormone at any age 4-30-2015 12:16pm
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    • Where do you get blood test for deficiency 4-30-2015 2:53pm
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  9. Elementary Gifted child / behavioral issues...(more) 4-30-2015 10:30am (3 replies)
    Does anyone have any experience with gifted DS with behavioral issues: especially physical activity with other boys. DS seems to be a lightening rod and lacks body control especially in play. This is for 6 year old. Anyone with a name of a specialist who can counsel on this?
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    • do you mean more of an OT (like sensory work) or more parent counseling? I don't have a rec but feel your concern. I find the gifted kiddos...(more) 4-30-2015 12:30pm
      sometimes have a challenging behavior here or there, be it emotion, aggression, etc. Can school help/advise?
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      • - no subject -...(more) 4-30-2015 1:24pm
        Trying to work things out through the school. DS has gotten a bad boy rep with the other boys and the teachers. He doesn't tolerate slights and is the one to always "up" the confrontations/slights to a higher level. At 6, he is always in the mix. I think he needs professional assistance in social navigation... if that makes sense.
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    • My 7 y/o is somewhat like this, although he's not aggressive. His academic skills are advanced, but he has some issues with regulation and reading social cues. He works with an...(more) 4-30-2015 1:27pm
      OT and attends a social skills group.
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  10. Elementary Any input on the international school of brooklyn? 4-30-2015 12:00am (0 replies)
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  11. Elementary I htink I have hit my limit with alcoholic dh; moving ds and I out; i didnt like it here anyway. I have never had the strength to leave but I feel good about it now...hope I can...(more) 4-27-2015 1:43pm (4 replies)
    follwo through
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    • apparently am dyslexic too 4-27-2015 1:45pm
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    • wishing you the best. my mother left my alcoholic father and even though it was hard, it was the best thing she ever did for her kids 4-27-2015 1:46pm
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      • Oh thank you. Did you remain close with him? 4-27-2015 1:46pm
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        • we had a rough relationship bc he was mentally ill -- but i thank goodness for my mother and later my stepfather 4-27-2015 1:47pm
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  12. Elementary NYC G&T: Touring the citywide schools ?...(more) 4-21-2015 9:34pm (0 replies)
  13. Elementary NYC G&T: Touring the citywide schools ?...(more) 4-21-2015 9:34pm (0 replies)
  14. Elementary NYC G&T: Touring the citywide schools ?...(more) 4-21-2015 9:33pm (4 replies)
    • Post on toddler 4-21-2015 9:37pm
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    • 25-28 in k class with a shared ta sounds awful 4-21-2015 9:37pm
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      • thats public school for you. 4-21-2015 9:40pm
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        • my dcs go to public and had 18 in k 4-21-2015 9:41pm
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  15. Elementary NYC G&T: Touring the citywide schools ?...(more) 4-21-2015 9:33pm (0 replies)
    For all considering their G&T options. Here a dad's tours' honest perspective
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  16. Elementary Dusc Soccer (downtown united) - tryouts at U8 level....is it competitive/hard to get in? Not familiar at all. thanks! 4-21-2015 11:05am (0 replies)
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  17. Elementary Success Academy...(more) 4-13-2015 8:23am (3 replies)
    Just this Saturday received an accepted letter for the Bensonhurst location. Wanted to know if any of your kids or friends kids go here and if you have any knowledge. Should we make the leap from public to success?
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    • my son went there for two yrs and we had a v positive experience. I do believe the curriculum is better than publics - even the best publics in the US 4-13-2015 8:31am
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      • - no subject -...(more) 4-13-2015 3:23pm
        Thank you. Makes me optimistic and positive that I'm making the right choice!
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    • here is a story from a SA Bensonhurst parent https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205599401798861&set=a.2781931981949.2140582.1067670621&type=1&theater 4-13-2015 1:37pm
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  18. Elementary FREE TEST LAUNCH: Delivery service for healthy weekday lunch boxes!...(more) 4-8-2015 8:06am (0 replies)
    Lunchboxes are created based on USDA dietary nutritional guidelines for children. Meals can be customized according to preferences and diets.

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  19. Elementary NEW healthy + creative children's lunchboxes (feedback + free lunch!)...(more) 4-5-2015 10:50am (4 replies)
    Hi parents!

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    • No, my kids are stuck with the peanut butter sandwich, apple, pretzel sticks etc. With minor variations. I can't imagine being this nvested in their lunces. 4-5-2015 10:55am
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      • ^^invested, lunches 4-5-2015 10:56am
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    • Fuck off 4-5-2015 11:02am
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      • Oops...(more) 4-5-2015 11:02am
        Happy Easter
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  20. Elementary Social skills group for 6 year old DD...(more) 4-3-2015 3:25pm (0 replies)
    Hi, I am looking for a good social skills group for 6 yr old dd on UES. I am also interested in getting a person who would work on social skills with her during playdates, real life situations etc. We got diagnosed with social pragmatic language disorder recently. Thanks
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  21. Elementary Does anyone have feedback on the French dual language program at either PS58, PS84 or PS 133? 3-20-2015 8:25pm (5 replies)
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    • french is a waste of time unless you are haitian 3-20-2015 8:26pm
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    • - no subject -...(more) 3-20-2015 8:28pm
      That was not the question. I am actually french and my child speaks it (as well as another language which you would probably find useless too)
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      • what's the other language 3-20-2015 8:31pm
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    • 58 is supposed to be great. very nice community. 3-22-2015 9:12pm
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    • where do you live? 3-22-2015 9:15pm
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  22. Elementary How much is enough?...(more) 3-20-2015 4:00pm (14 replies)
    Going crazy here--single mom of 6 and 9 yr olds. My partner, who has been living with us for 4 years, had a brain condition last fall which has left significant cognitive compromises. He is not working, spends all his time going to rehab appts. All we talk about is rehab! I work full time and am now pretty much solely taking care of kids. Things weren't great with him before all this happened and now I am getting more resentful every day. I don't want to be bitchy, and I don't want it to roll down hill to my kids, but I am physically and emotionally exhausted.
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    • get out, now. 3-20-2015 4:01pm
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    • It is a terrible situation and I am sorry for it. Do you know how much longer this will be? Is it permanent? Have you gone to therapy? 3-20-2015 4:02pm
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      • Don't know how long, if ever, recovery will take. Yes I need therapy. No time. 3-20-2015 4:04pm
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        • make the time. Even if he leaves, you will need the support to make it alone. If this is the new reality, you guys need to talk it out. 3-20-2015 4:05pm
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    • Is this their father? Does he have other family? 3-20-2015 4:03pm
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      • He is not their father. He has a sister close by. 3-20-2015 4:05pm
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        • I'm not going to say dump him, but I will say that his sister needs to step way the hell up. 3-20-2015 4:06pm
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    • dump 3-20-2015 4:03pm
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    • So you have three kids? Post in toddler next time 3-20-2015 4:03pm
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      • Imagine it was the other way around. She was the one with an injury and he was the one talking about how hard it was. 3-20-2015 4:04pm
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        • Yes, but it we live in MY house, and I feel like I want MY space! 3-20-2015 4:09pm
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    • If you had married him when he moved in 4 years ago, would you feel any different about him? 3-20-2015 4:22pm
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      • I deliberately did not marry him because I didn't want to get into a situation where I was supporting anyone other than my dcs 3-20-2015 4:46pm
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        • Learned that lesson with ex-dh 3-20-2015 4:46pm
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  23. Elementary Jesus--Bobbie Christina is being moved to a rehab facility 3-20-2015 3:44pm (0 replies)
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  24. Elementary It's interesting that most of the models that come from Brazil are ethnically European 3-20-2015 3:37pm (0 replies)
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  25. Elementary Looking for a last-minute getaway for spring break. Live in Chicago, so looking to drive south from there. Anyone have a place/city you would recommend for pre-teens? tia 3-20-2015 2:17pm (2 replies)
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    • Nashville? 3-20-2015 2:18pm
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      • have you been there? Thinking maybe there/Memphis/Louisville, KY, but looking for some btdt comments about specifics for that age range. I personally would love any of those...(more) 3-20-2015 2:19pm
        cities, but my dcs--don't know?
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