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  1. Cleveland So a woman goes to see her Doctor........(more) 3 hr 13 min ago (7 replies)
    W: Lately I've developed this problem of wetting the bed while sleeping..
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    • - no subject -...(more) 3 hr 11 min ago
      DR: Go behind the curtains and take your clothes off and do a hand stand in front of the mirror
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      • - no subject -...(more) 3 hr 10 min ago
        the woman obliges.....the Dr comes in, parts her legs and keeps his chin on top of her vagina. the woman says: "so doc, what's the problem w me"?
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        • - no subject -...(more) 3 hr 9 min ago
          DR: you should stop drinking before going to bed is all.
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          • - no subject -...(more) 3 hr 9 min ago
            W: then why the hell did you make me do that?
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            • - no subject -...(more) 3 hr 9 min ago
              Dr: Oh I just wanted to see how'd I look with a beard.
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    • TOO SLOW!!!!! 3 hr 9 min ago
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  2. Cleveland I urge you all to go read Europe moms posts and reevaluate fucking married men. 4 hr 27 min ago (11 replies)
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    • link? 4 hr 19 min ago
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    • ah, I've read it now. Sounds like my situation. that's how we talked too, about intimate details of our lives. Hard not to, you can't talk about sex for years. I understand the...(more) 3 hr 40 min ago
      betrayal though. I mean he told me really intimate details. I'm sorry she's going through that.
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      • please realize that you suck and stop fucking married people 3 hr 35 min ago
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        • did you notice the past tense I used? We are done, partly bc I became disgusted by the whole thing and he told me he wanted to continue this way for years and years more. We're...(more) 2 hr 45 min ago
          done now.
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          • np dw and years long affair seems to be the ideal arrangement for a dh. They will say and do anything to maintain it. See sex addict post below. 21 min ago
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            • ^i think long term affair with a married woman is the best for them. Sleeping with lots of women is more difficult to manage - much more risk. I don't think they have anything...(more) 18 min ago
              to do with love, they just play the love card to get sex.
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              • np: I can't see how you fuck someone and NOT get close to them. that's more fucked up. 15 min ago
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                • I agree but I think men are certainly capable. 12 min ago
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                  • Not all men. Also, you can't exclude woment. 4 min ago
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    • you guys doing this are terrible people 21 min ago
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    • meh. Who gives a shit. 17 min ago
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  3. Cleveland Just got this text: "Going away with wife until Sunday. Please no calls or texts till I get back and tell you it's OK." I am a masochist and an idiot. 4 hr 54 min ago (38 replies)
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    • We all are on this board I think 4 hr 54 min ago
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      • ^^especially me 4 hr 53 min ago
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        • op - thanks. wish i could say it helps to know i'm not alone. 4 hr 46 min ago
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    • I would end it seriously Ive been where you are...so not worth it, delete and block him 4 hr 53 min ago
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      • well, i care for him. i have a husband, too, after all. i just hate that i did this at all. so at the mercy of everyone else. at the bottom of a very big totem pole. 4 hr 50 min ago
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        • Sigh....me too. But I am not sure I "care" for him. I though he was "different" he fed me a lot of BS that I believed. But I am also at the bottom of a large totem pole too 4 hr 39 min ago
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          • i'm sorry. i'm sorry for both of us. women who love themselves don't allow this kind of thing to happen. 4 hr 34 min ago
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          • You are at the bottom of YOUR OWN totem pole. You are not a priority to you, so that's what everyone else picks up on. You are good enough for a good time. That's it. 4 hr 33 min ago
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            • how does one change this? i can't just look in the mirror and LOVE myself suddenly. i wish i could. 4 hr 31 min ago
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              • Yes, how do I do this? 4 hr 12 min ago
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            • I'll have to remember this "good enough for a good time" 4 hr 10 min ago
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    • No arguments here 4 hr 51 min ago
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      • yet you troll this board just to insult strangers. your life must be so rich. 4 hr 50 min ago
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        • It is! My kid just went to the bagel store for me, and brought me coffee too. In a little while we'll go to the movies, instead of obsessing over a married man, THEN seeking...(more) 4 hr 46 min ago
          support from strangers. What's your agenda?
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          • what's yours is the more relevant question. are you trying to make me feel worse? are you trying to tough love me out of this? or are you just a mean, bored woman who thinks...(more) 4 hr 44 min ago
            she never makes mistakes?
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            • Op? You said you were a masochist and an idiot. I agreed. I thought maybe that would help in getting you to realize this is entirely in your control. But what you want is people...(more) 4 hr 35 min ago
              to say you're not either of those? In that case, i stand by my original assesment. I didnt realize, fwiw, this was Cleveland, because it popped up when i logged on. Sometimes my phone just changes my settings to "All Boards" without my noticing. And fwiw again, I'm not a crazed "all people who have affairs are wicked" person. I just think your attitude is really immature and that you get a satisfaction from the drama of it all, not to mention the drama of engaging me in this. It would be better for you to use the hide button if I upset you. In fact, I'm hiding and unstickying this now. GL with it all.
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              • enjoy your bagel, chubs. 4 hr 34 min ago
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    • That hurts and I know exactly how you feel. I can't tell you enough how being free of this will be much better. Hurts like hell for just a while. 4 hr 48 min ago
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      • i feel like a burn victim right now. just raw everywhere. 4 hr 47 min ago
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        • Me too 4 hr 43 min ago
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        • np: i don't get it. he wants to keep it going with you and in order to do that he needs to be safe. he's not hiding you from his friends, he's hiding you from his wife. chill out. 4 hr 43 min ago
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          • he'll be laughing with her, telling her he loves her, having sex with her. it just hurts. i understand that i cant reach out to him, but i am certain that i will not even cross...(more) 4 hr 40 min ago
            his mind one time between now and sunday.
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            • OR: I was away on vacation and he told me he thought of me a lot. BS 4 hr 39 min ago
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              • at least he cares enough about your feelings to say such a thing. i'm sick to my stomach now, but it's for the best. he doesn't love me. he isn't even that nice to me. 4 hr 35 min ago
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                • I am in the same boat. But I know he was lying. I also feel sick 4 hr 11 min ago
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    • Stop fucking married men 4 hr 45 min ago
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      • i guess i just have :-( 4 hr 43 min ago
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        • GOOD!! Don't ever contact him again, block his number. You have the power now. 4 hr 17 min ago
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          • i feel powerless over my own feelings. like a baby. it's humiliating. 4 hr 13 min ago
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            • OR, we are two peas in a pod, and I am spiraling 4 hr 11 min ago
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              • i am sorry. honestly. i don't know what to tell you, except you are not alone. 4 hr 9 min ago
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                • Thank you. Thank you. I wasn't looking for this. I just got sucked in 3 hr 52 min ago
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                  • ^^and was too weak to say no. I liked the attention. 3 hr 52 min ago
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            • I'm pub crawl affair mom. We were together 5 years. I was addicted. It took me months to slowly break away from him those last days were fucking HELL. BUt I'm over that hump. YOU...(more) 3 hr 49 min ago
              DO GET OVER THE HUMP. And I have no anxiety, no sadness (well, just a touch now and then but it passes) I feel younger somehow. Such a weight off me. And the longer you go the better you feel. Please do this. I never thought I could and I DID.
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              • OR: I actually only had sex with him twice. It's only been 6 weeks, but lots of texting etc. I can't explain it, but I feel so so foolish. 3 hr 39 min ago
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                • oh man, get out now, so much easier. Believe me. 2 hr 45 min ago
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                  • Yea, you're right. Unfortunately, it was someone from work! Duh 2 hr 8 min ago
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  4. Cleveland I should have listened to you all. :( Nowin a puddle of tears with no closure. He won't return my texts. I'm such a loser 5 hr 23 min ago (11 replies)
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    • What happened 5 hr 19 min ago
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      • It wasn't really a full blown affair, sex a few times. Lots of texting back and forth. Just a weird situation, not healthy. I knew it, but thought it would be "different" 4 hr 56 min ago
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        • ^^and I was flattered by the attention 4 hr 55 min ago
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          • this is me, signed poster above who just got the "going away with wife" text. 4 hr 49 min ago
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            • And I was the first OR 4 hr 43 min ago
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        • yeah,,but be happy its over...now you can work on your mental health 3 hr 40 min ago
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    • sucks. 5 hr 10 min ago
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    • Don't seek comfort from the gun that shot you. 5 hr 9 min ago
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      • the gun being her affair man? 5 hr 8 min ago
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        • Whoever it is who isn't texting her back. 5 hr 5 min ago
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      • You are so right! Thank you for saying that 4 hr 57 min ago
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  5. Cleveland I am cheating and it makes me a better wife. Having an affair gives me an adrenaline rush and so I have more tolerance for the day to day mundane stuff in life. The combination of...(more) 6-30-2015 8:19am (14 replies)
    the guilt I feel as well as the release of pent up frustrations puts me in a place where I am more selfless and better to dh. This makes him happier which makes him treat me better. We are happier when I am in an affair. It is kind of like self medication when people with anxiety drink alcohol to calm their nerves.
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    • i agree this is the way to go 6-30-2015 8:20am
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    • you again 6-30-2015 8:20am
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    • Enjoy it while it lasts, bc it won't for very long 6-30-2015 8:40am
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      • as long as I don't get caught and I have faith I will not 6-30-2015 9:17am
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      • omg sooooo true. then it will hurt the marriage. 6-30-2015 2:17pm
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    • Can't think of anything else to post? 6-30-2015 12:52pm
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      • right? I read this over and over 6-30-2015 1:13pm
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    • I'm with you all the waY 6-30-2015 2:28pm
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    • rationalize your way out of admitting how awful this is 6-30-2015 3:15pm
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    • Again with this? 6-30-2015 3:19pm
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    • nsr: I'm in the same boat, after making yet another failed attempt at intimacy with dw last night, this is what we have. 6-30-2015 4:58pm
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      • You must suck in bed. 7-1-2015 10:48am
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      • what is a 'failed attempt at intimacy?" she turned you down? 15 hr 35 min ago
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    • I used to feel this way. Don't anymore. Feel very blah 5 hr 7 min ago
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  6. Cleveland Update from pub crawl affair mom here...(more) 6-29-2015 10:17am (14 replies)
    I am feeling so much better. It's so nice not to have to see the pics of him hugging dw close to him and having fun every.single.weekend. To not hear about the weekend getaways for the two of them. The concerts. The bars. To see and hear about how much fun they had, while telling me he loves and misses me, texting me while they are out and while they posting pics on FB of them looking so happy. Man he fucked with my head. I'm SO MUCH happier. It's messed up that he was totally fine with this kind of life and he was confused and sad that I couldn't handle it. Blocked him on FB and deleted the email address. I'm finally FREE!!!
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    • Who has time for that? Facebook friends? Ew. 6-29-2015 10:23am
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      • and so risky 6-29-2015 1:07pm
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        • well not any longer! 6-29-2015 2:34pm
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    • Except you really miss his cock 6-29-2015 10:27am
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    • great update. happy to hear that you see that you made the right decision and that there's no going back. 6-29-2015 1:06pm
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      • I can never go back, I'll get sucked in so fast. He's like a drug, idk why. Something in me needs something he has, but it ends up making me feel like shit. 6-29-2015 2:40pm
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        • exactly- really, nothing positive 6-29-2015 3:09pm
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    • How is your home life now? 6-29-2015 1:14pm
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      • It's better. DH can tell my full attention is back on him. And I have so much more time! Instead of talking to affair on the phone at lunch for example, I do things like take a...(more) 6-29-2015 2:39pm
        walk, vacuum my car, browse the library, shop, etc. And at home I'm not checking email or his FB all the time dreading what I'll see, so I'm getting more done at home too. I swore the affair didn't take away from anything at home or at work but.... the truth is, it really did. A lot of my time and attention was given to him.
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        • enjoy the new found time. it's precious 6-29-2015 3:11pm
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        • do you think he will ever find out? 6-29-2015 3:15pm
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    • :) 6-29-2015 3:14pm
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    • Very happy for you. That ahole was a piece of work 6-30-2015 12:53pm
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  7. Cleveland I get that's about the attention and distraction from real life....(more) 6-27-2015 8:44am (7 replies)
    For me it's about the texts and not being "alone".
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    • in the end, you are alone 6-27-2015 8:47am
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    • I think this is what it 6-27-2015 3:02pm
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      • is about for my affair. And I keep trying to call his bluff. We have been together for more than 3 years now and he has a change to make a real change right now for us to be...(more) 6-27-2015 3:04pm
        together for real. Not sure he can actually do it.
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        • ^ He loves loves loves the text conversations at night. We talk on the phone plenty but he opens up the most on text. 6-27-2015 3:04pm
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          • What do you mean by opens up? 6-27-2015 10:28pm
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            • About his thoughts, feelings, etc. 6-27-2015 11:41pm
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    • I agree with you about the texts, etc. 5 hr 25 min ago
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  8. Cleveland I get the dw who posts about her multiple guys. I could use another. 6-26-2015 3:32pm (6 replies)
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    • I wouldn't have the emotional energy. 6-26-2015 9:26pm
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      • I don't think that one would be emotional 6-27-2015 8:33am
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    • i've started hooking up with a senior manager at my work, it's the hottest sex ever 6-26-2015 11:08pm
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      • WOW, first having a affair and then hooking. Sounds like a big step up. 6-27-2015 6:05am
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      • And you have another guy too? 6-27-2015 8:33am
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        • no, just him 6-27-2015 10:21pm
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  9. Cleveland Thinking of doing tinder. Anyone have experience with it? 6-25-2015 12:28pm (7 replies)
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    • Are you married? If so, I wouldn't. If not then sure. 6-25-2015 1:06pm
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      • ^ I am not married and I used it here and there. I have run across people there I know and who are married, supposedly happily. Dumb if you don't want to get caught. 6-25-2015 1:10pm
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    • men are there to hook up - woman think it's a legitimate "dating" site...(more) 6-25-2015 1:25pm
      so there are a lot of woman who want to date in a traditional sense. plus, the pictures are pulled from your facebook. you can't upload your own pictures.
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      • I made my own private album on Facebook with pics only for tinder. Also I know some tinder couples. 6-25-2015 1:50pm
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        • be careful if you're trying to conceal your identity.......(more) 6-25-2015 4:46pm
          if you have google chrome, you can right click on any picture and select "search google for this image" and it will pull up anywhere else that picture is posted....if it's on another social media site for example, it will show in the results. just sayin...;)
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          • I know. I am not married. I don't worry about that. But I was explaining that I made a private fb album on my main fb account. It doesn't pull all your photos. Just the ones you...(more) 6-25-2015 5:37pm
            want. Anyway, don't use tinder if you are married and don't want to get caught.
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            • What's the alternative? 6-25-2015 5:45pm
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  10. Cleveland I am not sure what happened recently but having been an average loser all my life, the older I get the more I am catnip to the ladies. 6-24-2015 2:25pm (9 replies)
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    • were you always a lesbian? 6-24-2015 2:26pm
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      • a lover of women yes, and always in relationships with women. So if men can be lesbians... 6-24-2015 2:27pm
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        • you're a dude? 6-24-2015 2:28pm
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          • your powers of deduction are remarkable 6-24-2015 2:31pm
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    • Answer seems obvious to me, Women have a thing for losers. 6-25-2015 12:27am
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    • this only shows how desperate older women get. Not kidding. 6-26-2015 9:02am
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      • OP: You would think right? Except these are without exception younger women! 6-26-2015 11:49am
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        • loser younger women 6-26-2015 2:18pm
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          • you sound oddly bitter 6-26-2015 8:46pm
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  11. Cleveland Have you ever hooked up with a current manager / executive in your firm? 6-23-2015 11:02pm (5 replies)
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    • Yes, how do you think I got a DH? 6-23-2015 11:03pm
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      • were you both single? how did it first happen? 6-23-2015 11:05pm
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        • After drink works turned into rendezvous at a hotel. 6-23-2015 11:06pm
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          • were you still reporting to him at the time? was he your direct boss or higher up? 6-23-2015 11:13pm
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        • And yes, we were both single 6-23-2015 11:06pm
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  12. Cleveland Guys I date always stare into my eyes during sex. Dh never did that. 6-23-2015 8:55pm (3 replies)
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    • guys you date? or guys you fuck 6-24-2015 11:18am
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    • because it's fucking hot 6-25-2015 11:30am
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    • i love that my dh never initiates it either. he will do it if i *make* him but it is really intense when a man initiates it 6-27-2015 2:02pm
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  13. Cleveland Have you ever facetimed with him? 6-23-2015 8:42pm (2 replies)
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    • a bajillion times 6-23-2015 9:48pm
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      • So you masturbate in front of each other? I want to but feel self conscious. 6-24-2015 11:15am
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  14. Cleveland I fucked both of my main affairs today. New guy I've seen once is asking to hook up soon, 22 year old hottie wants to see me, ex boss wants to get back together, a few others. I...(more) 6-23-2015 8:14pm (26 replies)
    Really need to get my shit together.
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    • Don't worry, chicken will come home to roost 6-23-2015 8:15pm
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      • Wtf does that mean? Lol 6-23-2015 8:17pm
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        • or: You'e dumb too. Great. 6-23-2015 8:18pm
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          • well that's obvious by her behavior. Pennsatucky 6-23-2015 8:18pm
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    • sure it's free sex 6-23-2015 8:17pm
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      • For me too...I have my pick and my sex drive is through the roof crazy. I need it constantly so this works for me 6-23-2015 8:18pm
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        • where is your DH? disabled? 6-23-2015 8:19pm
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    • I had five going at once at one point. Now I have one, less distractions. 6-23-2015 8:18pm
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      • how many times have you been diagnosed with an std? be honest. 6-23-2015 8:19pm
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        • Np- this is really not as common as you think 6-23-2015 8:20pm
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      • fewer, not less. 6-23-2015 8:20pm
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    • holy cow. how old are you? are you fit and hot? 6-23-2015 8:20pm
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      • no just slutty and loose 6-23-2015 8:21pm
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        • Op- actually I'm really tight 6-23-2015 8:22pm
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          • Will you share age and size? 35, size 2 or 40, size 14? 6-23-2015 8:24pm
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      • I'm alright. I must say the guys are all very attractive. I feel pretty lucky 6-23-2015 8:21pm
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      • Lol, men aren't picky about no strings sex 6-23-2015 8:22pm
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        • looks like she fell for the old "you're special!" scam 6-23-2015 8:23pm
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          • Op- when did I ever say I was special? Lol 6-24-2015 7:22am
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        • and a dumb woman like this OP 6-23-2015 8:23pm
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    • Your pussy must be a mess. 6-23-2015 8:43pm
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      • I get compliments on how tight it is all the time 6-23-2015 8:56pm
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    • when did you first sleep with your exboss? 6-23-2015 11:01pm
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    • you are a fucking mess. how long are you going to carry this on for? 6-24-2015 11:17am
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  15. Cleveland Sex and love addiction:...(more) 6-23-2015 9:53am (110 replies)
    Having few healthy boundaries, we become sexually involved with and/or emotionally attached to people without knowing them. Fearing abandonment and loneliness, we stay in and return to painful, destructive relationships, concealing our dependency needs from ourselves and others, growing more isolated and alienated from friends and loved ones, ourselves, and God. Fearing emotional and/or sexual deprivation, we compulsively pursue and involve ourselves in one relationship after another, sometimes having more than one sexual or emotional liaison at a time. We confuse love with neediness, physical and sexual attraction, pity and/or the need to rescue or be rescued. We feel empty and incomplete when we are alone. Even though we fear intimacy and commitment, we continually search for relationships and sexual contacts. We sexualize stress, guilt, loneliness, anger, shame, fear and envy. We use sex or emotional dependence as substitutes for nurturing care, and support. We use sex and emo
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    • continued.....(more) 6-23-2015 9:56am
      We use sex and emotional involvement to manipulate and control others.
      We become immobilized or seriously distracted by romantic or sexual obsessions or fantasies.
      We avoid responsibility for ourselves by attaching ourselves to people who are emotionally unavailable.
      We stay enslaved to emotional dependency, romantic intrigue, or compulsive sexual activities.
      To avoid feeling vulnerable, we may retreat from all intimate involvement, mistaking sexual and emotional anorexia for recovery.
      We assign magical qualities to others. We idealize and pursue them, then blame them for not fulfilling our fantasies and expectations.
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    • Agree. This definitely applies to a lot of the women here who are in long term affairs - they are addicted to the destructive pattern. 6-23-2015 11:02am
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      • men too...(more) 6-23-2015 11:33am
        when the behavior becomes compulsive - to the point you act out knowing the risks and consequences, yet you feel the "need" to do it anyway, it's no different than other process orientated addictions like gamblers, over eaters, and the like. the high one seeks becomes a form of self medication. but at some point the damage from this behavior becomes out of control and unmanageable. hence, addiction.
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        • I believe that 6-23-2015 12:23pm
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          • ^ they probably have other vices as well 6-23-2015 12:24pm
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            • Based on books I've read and other women I've met along the way, I think women are prone to love addiction and men to sex addiction. They both use one to get the other. Women...(more) 6-23-2015 12:27pm
              are almost always lured in by "love"
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              • this was me. the man i was involved with wooed me and was smitten for all of 3 weeks. by that time, i was "in love." and poof, he became cold and demanded all kinds of sexual...(more) 6-26-2015 11:27am
                tricks from me. it took me way to long to get out and i still miss him, even with the terrible treatment.
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    • Why are you posting this? Are you a sex/love addict? 6-23-2015 2:44pm
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      • yes. I am a male and I am a S&L addict....(more) 6-24-2015 4:15pm
        I'm a compulsive liar. I'll tell a woman anything to get her to fall for me and ultimately have sex with me. Some men are addicted to sex - with porn, strip clubs, or massage parlors. I'm addicted to the chase, the attention and affirmation, and the emotional co-dependency. I've ruined a 13 year marriage 4 years ago, and I recently ruined a 4 year relationship because of my cheating and getting caught. I've had to change jobs more than I should, and my kids are pretty much estranged from me because of this. I see the same pattern of behavior from so many posters on this board. I hope they will seek help like I did. Before their lives become unmanageable too.
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        • is your name Matt 6-24-2015 5:09pm
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          • no my name is not Matt 6-24-2015 11:54pm
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            • are you still a compulsive liar? 6-25-2015 12:11am
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              • no - I'm on a new path with therapy and 12 step program to be honest...(more) 6-25-2015 12:38pm
                which is why I'm saying these things here. I see the similar patterns by so many others on this board so I hope what I write will help them seek help as well. I know my previous affair, whom I fell deeply in love with, reads this board. I hurt her with my lies and I feel terrible for it. I could never reach out to her to apologize...it's best to just remain out of contact. But I hope she is reading this and I hope she knows that I never meant to hurt her. I have some very deep personal issues, which I am working on, but that's no excuse for the way that I misled her. she was very honest with me. So...no...I don't believe that I am still a compulsive liar. I've come clean about all of my misbehavior to my family, my best friends, and my girlfriend of four years. from here out I have to remain honest or I risk sliipping back down the slope.
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                • sounds like you're doing well. I hope she reads this too. I read your response below too....(more) 6-26-2015 4:31am
                  I met a guy a few weeks ago and I could see him being very similar to what you said in that post.
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                  • just be careful...if he thinks like I do he'll get very attached and he'll...(more) 6-26-2015 10:54am
                    say and do anything to make you feel the same way about him. But that's not love and it's not real.
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                    • Thanks. Too soon to tell. But some things he has said to me sound like b.s. 6-26-2015 1:32pm
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                • Thank you for saying all of that; it has given me the closure I need. I also wanted to apologize for not being more understanding of your "condition". May you fit find the...(more) 6-27-2015 8:25am
                  love, acceptance and happiness you've been missing and searching for all this time...
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                  • ^finally 6-27-2015 9:08am
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                  • ^^^ I hope you are well....and i hope you find peace and happiness too. 6-27-2015 4:43pm
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                • Are you posting about S&LA to explain yourself or because you think she is also SLA? What happened to her? 6-29-2015 11:12am
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                  • OP: I think anyone who makes a conscious decision to continually...(more) 6-29-2015 12:31pm
                    cheat, being deceptive to hide it, and continues the behavior knowing the risks and consequences of being caught is a S&LA. We practice all sorts of self deception....we are able to reason and justify it to ourselves, but when you actually get caught it's like you wake up from a bad dream. The reward isn't worth the risk when you have to deal with kids and family, etc. I can't speak for her, but again if you really look into the characteristics of S&LA and compare that with the posts on this board it's quite obvious that most on here are compulsive (can't stop even though they want to, knowing what the risks of continuing are. They deal with more guilt and shame than they are willing to admit.....how many here are insomniacs? Since I've come clean I'm sleeping like a baby with no meds to aid my sleep.
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                    • Describes me perfectly but not multiple affairs. It is like waking up and vowing never to drink again, decide one drink won't hurt and then find yourself puking from drinking too...(more) 6-29-2015 12:37pm
                      much vodka.
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                      • many alcoholics sober up from drinking but replace it with sex. very common 6-29-2015 2:11pm
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                        • Alcoholism and affairs often go hand in hand 6-29-2015 2:13pm
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                • Did you meet on Pitts? 6-29-2015 11:55am
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        • Not-Matt, what do you mean by emotional co-dependency? Do you want her to be dependent on you or the other way around? I am a sex addict myself, and have also run into a few. One...(more) 6-25-2015 1:04am
          of them seemed to want to build up an enormous anticipation, then we had sex a few times before he cooled off. Too late, I was hooked on his attention by then, it was like a fix for me. I could have gotten over it, but he kept checking in via texts. I think it was so that I wouldn't forget him. I think he got a kick out of knowing that I was still addicted to him, but he wanted nothing more than that. Does that seem familiar? He has never shown any emotions of his own. And yes, he's a compulsive liar as well. Any insights?
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          • emotional codependency...(more) 6-25-2015 12:31pm
            I wouldn't say I lose interest once my affair has interest in me...but I feel a need to be needed. I want to be wanted. and if i feel like the risk is there that the person I feel affection for is showing a decreased level of interest, or if she is not "as into me" as I am for her, I feel a need to find plan b and plan c. I may juggle three or more relationships - the others are a safety net in case the primary one falters. I'll tell half truths, exaggerate the truth, omit certain things, or flat out lie in order to make my affair a. feel sorry for me, b. think I'm a "nice guy / sweet", c. think that I'm not really a "cheater" just in a bad situation/trapped. thing is, I'm actually tall, very attractive and have a great body. I'm told I should have no trouble getting a girl to like me. But I have such low self esteem from childhood trauma so I never believe it. I fear abandonment so much that I give all the "power
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            • what happened in your childhood? only if you want to share 6-26-2015 4:53am
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              • childhood: raised by an abusive single mother, was neglected and...(more) 6-26-2015 10:53am
                emotionally manipulated to take on the role of her spouse and caregiver at a very early age. when I was 11 yrs old, I had an emotional and sexual relationship with my first cousin who was 2 years and much more advanced than me. I learned at that early age that sex = love an affection, but I also learned about fear, shame, how to keep a secret, how to lie, and how to pretend, whatever it takes to never get caught. I also felt extreme loneliness and abandonment when she left. from that point on I was awkward and weird around woman. never had a GF and married the first GF I had way too young. didn't cheat on her until 10 years into it, but when I did it opened the floodgates of all that stuff from childhood and it turned into a compulsive behavior from then on.
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                • oh gosh, i wish you well. i posted above (i was the dumped by text poster from months back) i have no idea where my proclivities came from. I had a wonderful childhood. a...(more) 6-26-2015 11:28am
                  lovely father and protective, loving older brothers.
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                • oh wow. sorry you had to go through that. I also wish you well. I'm t h e one who met a guy a few weeks ago 6-26-2015 1:32pm
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                  • thank you 6-26-2015 3:18pm
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                    • I sincerely wish you leave 6-26-2015 3:57pm
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                      • peace! sorry! 6-26-2015 3:57pm
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          • you're aware of your condition....do you still have affairs?...(more) 6-25-2015 2:49pm
            not judging, just curious.
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            • I'd like to know this too... 6-28-2015 9:48am
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              • OP - (not Matt): I go to the 12 step meetings and work with a therapist...(more) 6-29-2015 10:35am
                to make sure that I'm not getting involved with anyone until I'm ready for a healthy relationship. I just ended a 4 year relationship with my GF. We tried to reconcile but she can't believe me or trust me anymore. and after she learned all the details and just how badly she was betrayed, she can never look at me the same way again. So I'm laying low and taking care of me. No relationships until I feel I'm healthy and ready to be honest. truly honest.
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                • How many women did you cheat on her with? 6-29-2015 11:14am
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                  • OP: my GF of four years?...(more) 6-29-2015 12:37pm
                    the first year I cheated once with an ex GF. The second year I had a one night stand once. Nothing the third year....I was good. The last year, I don't know what happened but I snapped. went on AShley Madison and met my affair and was withe her for about 6 months, fell really hard for her. those feelings still linger. I was so insecure that when my affair tried to end it with me I went on AM again and found another affair. I didn't like that one but had sex with her to ease the pain. so yeah I cheated on my affair with another affair. All told - I cheated on my GF with four diff woman in four years.
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                    • How do you know she comes here? How do you fall deeply in love with a person you met online after only 6 months? 6-29-2015 12:39pm
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                      • OP: we talked about this board all the time. I know she's fascinated by it....(more) 6-29-2015 12:45pm
                        I know I fell in love with her but again that's what S&LA people do....they fall in love because they are addicted to it.
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                        • It is fascinating. What happened to her? 6-29-2015 12:46pm
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                          • I don't know. she lives a mile away from me but I havent seen or...(more) 6-29-2015 1:01pm
                            heard from her since. I deleted the secret email accounts and I cut mself off of all social media. she was understandably upset when I disclosed the truth to her. She said something like good riddance and
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                            • Is she married also? Did any dhs ever find out? 6-29-2015 1:02pm
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                              • she is married w kids. I doubt her DH ever found out...(more) 6-29-2015 1:10pm
                                she was having affairs before me, at least two that I know of. I don't know if she's still doing it.
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                                • She sounds like a fucking mess. What was so great? 6-29-2015 1:11pm
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                                  • OP: she wasn't a mess. she, like me, settled too early...(more) 6-29-2015 1:21pm
                                    We clicked. we had chemistry. we talked and texted for hours at a time. she was beautiful, sophisticated, and our sex was the best sex I've ever known. we had amazing sex. she became a real friend....we shared things on a deep level. I felt like she genuinely cared about me. We always made each other laugh - and when one of us was down about something the other was there for support. I felt so comfortable with her....like it was so natural. But it wasn't right. It wasn't healthy for either of us. it was based on lies.
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                                    • You weren't married at this point - did she consider leaving for you? 6-29-2015 1:24pm
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                                      • ^if you were her 3rd affair, I'd say she's a mess. 6-29-2015 1:25pm
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                                        • she was no worse or no better than me or the hundreds of others an this...(more) 6-29-2015 1:30pm
                                          board. I don't know your story but if you're trolling on here you probably have a story too. most of the people I've come across in the support groups share a common background: early childhood trauma, a parental figure who was absent or abusive, and some event that caused shame in their life. a process starts where we self medicate....some through booze or drugs, some with over eating, some with sex and love addiction, some with gambling.
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                                          • Yes, I have the same story as everyone here. Nothing new. 6-29-2015 1:32pm
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                                            • ^and I am a mess. 6-29-2015 1:34pm
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                                              • I hope you can find some peace. I've learned that this is so much more...(more) 6-29-2015 2:07pm
                                                common than we think. look at how successful AM is...they are launching an IPO! the internet age has accelerated this to a a crazy level. It's so easy now. and when you get a little satisfaction and discover that you can do it and get away with it, it becomes very hard to resist more temptation. and for some, the fix they got before needs to be amped up in order to work. like a drug user moving on to more potent drugs. the S&LA will amp up more or riskier affairs. I've heard of dudes who are not gay, sliding into homo stuff just because they needed to up the ante. it can spiral out of control for a lot of people. I hope it sinks in for some of the people reading this.
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                                    • why is a beautiful sophisticated woman trolling for men on am? 6-29-2015 1:30pm
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                                      • ^do you check to see if she's still on am? 6-29-2015 1:30pm
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                                        • no. I stay way clear of AM 6-29-2015 1:31pm
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                        • What made her different than all the other woman you were fucking? 6-29-2015 12:47pm
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                          • OP: i messed this. she was different because we...(more) 6-30-2015 1:27pm
                            bonded. we talked and shared things. we became friends. there was a spark / electricity when we would touch. we'd spend a long time on foreplay and just enjoy each other. she was so beautiful, too. everything about her....her body, her hair, her eyes. we are both very athletic and in great shape. we were both extremely turned on physically by the other. hands down the greatest sex of my lifetime. amazing.
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                            • ^^ *missed, (not messed) 6-30-2015 1:28pm
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                            • What makes sex amazing for men? was it just bc of the physical attraction or is it doing more like anal etc? 6-30-2015 2:56pm
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                              • i can't speak for all men. everyone has their preferences but...(more) 6-30-2015 4:27pm
                                I can honestly say it's about chemistry. I'd take sex with a woman who is attractive that I have chemistry with over the "porn star" looking woman any day. And I've never explored into kinky / crazy stuff so I can't speak to whether that makes a difference. for me...I know it was good because we could go all day. multiple times over. just when I thought i was done, I'd get aroused just looking at her, just touching her, and I'd be ready for another round. we couldn't get enough of each other. but then again, I'm a sex addict so go figure. but I never had that reaction with anyone else....not to that extreme.
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                              • let me flip it....what makes sex amazing for a woman? 6-30-2015 4:29pm
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                                • I think it's all chemistry - I've never done anything kinky. I definietly couldn't go all day. That's crazy. 6-30-2015 4:46pm
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                                  • ^Affair sex was probably good bc it was illicit. I've never had another so I can't say for sure that it would have been the same with someone else 6-30-2015 4:50pm
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                                    • OP: Unfortunately I've experienced good bad and in between - all w affairs 6-30-2015 4:54pm
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                                    • you've never had an affair? or you've only had one affair? 6-30-2015 4:55pm
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                                      • Only one which was more than enough 6-30-2015 5:32pm
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                      • OP: I think she got the message...a little further up there is a reply from...(more) 6-29-2015 12:50pm
                        someone saying "thank you for saying all that, it gave her closure" I'm pretty sure that was her but one can never be sure. unless she said something "inside" that only I would understand....but I'm pretty sure that was her. I am glad I did this....it gives me closure too. I really just waned her to know that I am sorry for what I did. I feel terrible for it all.
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                        • I bet lots of dw here think you are talking to them. I know you aren't mind, but I'll pretend it was for me. I forgive you. 6-29-2015 12:53pm
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                    • What about your ex dw? 6-29-2015 12:40pm
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                      • OP: had a one night stand, then had an emotional love affair for a few...(more) 6-29-2015 12:44pm
                        months with a girl out of town. when she ended it I went on a tear and created on line dating profiles and had a couple one night stands and also juggled three relationships at a time until I got caught. One of the girls I was cheating on DW with ended up being my four year relationship that just ended.
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                        • Did any of your affairs have a clue about the others? 6-29-2015 12:45pm
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                          • no. my thing was that I lied to make woman feel sorry for me and...(more) 6-29-2015 12:57pm
                            represent myself like I was a good person in a bad situation. I made my affairs believe that I was a really nice guy but I was trapped in my situation, I'm not they type that would cheat, etc. I'm sure many woman have heard the same crap from other men. but when I was cheating on DW my DW busted me and emailed the other affairs to tell them all about each other. the house of cards fell. the sad part is my DW wanted to stay married but I was so addicted to acting out that I took the opportunity to divorce so that I could be free to do what I wanted. but I went from frying pan to fire by getting into a LTR with one of those affairs for the past 4 years. she knew what I did with DW, because she was part of it....but she fell in love me and I with her. I thought I would never cheat again....but I did. and now here I am trying to heal and end the cycle.
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                            • What did you tell them? sexless marriage? 6-29-2015 1:01pm
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                              • yes. that and that I got into my marriage way too young (which was true)...(more) 6-29-2015 1:14pm
                                truth is , that was the case in my marriage. it was sexless. I was not attracted to her. we grew apart. But it became apparent that this was a compulsive behavior when I continued to seek affairs while with my GF. My GF is very attractive and we had an amazing sex life. I started to stray when my self esteem made me believe that I wasn't good enough for her. I feared her leaving me so I found affair to insulate me from the pain of what I thought was an inevitable loss. it became a self fulfilling prophecy.
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                                • When did you stop being attracted to her? This is all very sad. I'm sure you've damaged your dw, gf and your affairs far more than you will ever know. 6-29-2015 1:19pm
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                                  • you are exactly right. I have damaged a lot of people, including my...(more) 6-29-2015 1:25pm
                                    children and my GF's children. they became attached to me too and now they have to deal with me leaving them. the whole thing is a complete mess. That's why I'm hoping others will read this and see how badly things can get out of control. the best thing a person can do is find a therapist or someone they trust and start by being 100% honest. sharing these things - letting out is a huge relief and aides the healing process.
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                                    • Did you live together with her kids? Ouch 6-29-2015 1:26pm
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                                      • yes :( 6-29-2015 1:31pm
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                                        • That sucks. How much do your own kids know? Were they close with the gf? 6-29-2015 1:33pm
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                                          • my own kids know everything which is why they are estranged from me...(more) 6-29-2015 2:00pm
                                            when my Ex busted me she couldn't help herself and didn't try to hide what I did from the kids. so they knew my GF was one of the woman I cheated on their mom with. my daughter was too young to understand fully, but my son was 11 and he knew what was happening. fast forward a few years, they eventually came to accept my GF and even bonded and became close with her kids. it all came crashing down when I gave my daughter an old iphone4, and i didn't realize that the ios upgrade synched my text accounts. my daughter started receiving the texts between me and an affair. she showed her mom. her mom called the affair AND my GF and told them what was going on. I then break up with my affair that I am in love with abruptly, which hurt her. I start therapy and S&LA program. a couple months into the program I relaps and try to secretly reconcile with my affair. it works and she reluctantly gets back together - then I get busted again when GF sees my emails to affai
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                                            • Wow. Why didn't you just break up with gf to be with the affair? 6-29-2015 2:09pm
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                                              • not so simple - I was living with GF splitting mortgage....(more) 6-29-2015 2:16pm
                                                and affair was married w children. she may have thought she wanted out but I really don't think she understood what it would be like to break up a family. I lived it and it nearly killed me, and I didn't want to see her go through that. I also couldn't live with the guilt of knowing that it was me that caused the pain for her kids. I was having a hard enough time living with the guilt over my own kids. that's what makes this an addiction. despite all that pain and all the knowledge of the consequences I still couldn't control the compulsive behavior.....I kept up the affair(s) as long as I could.
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                                                • I wonder if SLA is progressive like alcoholism. I think I'm SLA but my mess is nothing compared to this. Did you start out somewhat normal? 6-29-2015 2:26pm
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                                                  • i started out very normal...(more) 6-29-2015 2:37pm
                                                    it started when I was traveling for work. had a one night stand and i was cared shitless afterwards. swore I'd never do it again. but after several months I couldn't stop thinking about it. I was getting obsessed with it. I wanted the affirmation and the feeling that I was wanted. it was just sex though. things got tricky when I did it again but continued to talk and get to know the girl. we became very close. the cycle spiraled out of control when I started looking for affairs to cushion the pain of rejection for if/when the one I was "in love with" left me. like having plan b and plan c just in case. but not every story is the same. for some it's porn. for some it's prostitutes. just like drugs....for some it's pills and for some it's heroine. either way it's still unhealthy and destructive.
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                                                    • How did you find women? All online? 6-29-2015 2:38pm
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                                                      • online. yes. years ago it started with Craigslist, then I moved into...(more) 6-29-2015 2:41pm
                                                        dating sites like POF. I created profiles that were not honest about who I was or what my situation was. I intended to go on dates and maybe hook up. the email and texting was enough to inflate my self esteem, but if it turned into sex it was like a high of affirmation. then I discovered AM last year.
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                                                    • This really sounds like a guy I know 6-29-2015 9:45pm
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                                                      • the question though, is he willing to admit to any of it? 6-30-2015 12:11pm
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                                                        • How would I find that out? 6-30-2015 9:23pm
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                                                      • ditto 6-30-2015 1:04pm
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                                                  • go to the top of my post and take the 40 question quiz. (see link) 6-29-2015 2:38pm
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                                                    • Based on that I am but I'm out of affair and cannot fathom doing it again. I was damaged before but it made my depression and anxiety worse, now I have intimacy disorder and...(more) 6-29-2015 2:42pm
                                                      can't stand to be touched. Would a SLA be able to quit cold turkey?
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                                                      • you might be describing sexual anorexia, a common trait for SLA......(more) 6-29-2015 3:00pm
                                                        • Interesting - yes I guess I've gone to sexual aneorexia. 6-29-2015 4:15pm
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                                                      • also - I've learned that the 12 step program isnt there to help you stop...(more) 6-29-2015 3:18pm
                                                        acting out. It's there to help you admit that you can't manage this alone, and once you do that, the steps are geared towards healing what is inside you that causes the need to act out. people who attend meetings with the intention of just "preventing compulsive behavior" rarely succeed. but people who genuinely look within themselves and examine their character defects and work to reconcile their past by living a truly honest life are the ones who find success. You can quit cold turkey, but you need to be willing to admit / face your past and be willing to call on others for support. I'd suggest you try a meeting - you don't have to talk. you can just listen to the group share and you'll be amazed what it feels like to hear others tell the same story that you have.
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                                                        • Same steps for AA/NA. Do you make amends with old affairs and their spouses? 6-29-2015 4:16pm
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                                                          • I'm not on step nine yet. working on step 4. but from what I understand step 9...(more) 6-30-2015 12:10pm
                                                            amends should not be made when to do so would cause harm to yourself or others. I do not want to risk causing harm to my affairs' families by reaching out to them. If they reached out to me, I would certainly offer amends.
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                                                            • I've worked AA steps and that's how it works. I've tried to make living amends where I can. Good luck 6-30-2015 12:58pm
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                                                              • good luck to you, too 6-30-2015 1:33pm
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    • This is me for sure. 6-23-2015 8:44pm
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  16. Cleveland - no subject -...(more) 6-23-2015 12:41am (4 replies)
    New realization: Ex affair is a sociopath, what I thought was an affair, a break-up and post-breakup attention was just an amusing game of manipulation and power.
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    • Not surprising. Mine was a total sociopath. I am lucky I got out. 6-23-2015 12:55am
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    • Which mom are you? Who is doing the breaking up? You probably didn't even realize you were playing the games too. 6-23-2015 11:04am
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      • I'm a new mom on this board. He broke up, then kept checking in on me via email. Went hot and cold. Agreed to meet as friends (I'm such...(more) 6-23-2015 8:03pm
        an idiot!), and he canceled half an hour before. Off the radar again. Unappealing, right? Why was I so obsessed?
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    • Mine too. Self-professed sex and love addict..ugh. 6-23-2015 2:46pm
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  17. Cleveland Affair told me today, out of nowhere, that he feels so lucky to have found me, how great I am (listed like 10 ways) and how he couldn't even ask for more. I am crazy about this...(more) 6-20-2015 12:30am (6 replies)
    man. God I am so miserable. I need a divorce.
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    • so what's stopping you? 6-20-2015 12:56am
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    • should have realized this was Cleveland, where everything is lies, smoke and mirrors. 6-20-2015 12:57am
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    • sounds likeyouhaveahappyfuturetogethercongrats 6-20-2015 2:38am
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    • Ah I remember those days. The love songs, the declarations of love, the "I wish..." It's all complete and utter bullshit and if you asked him to be with you in real life he's...(more) 6-20-2015 10:14am
      backpedal so fucking fast your head will spin and your heart will break in two.
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      • Op- oh I know. I've had a few affairs and know it's just crazy affair shit, but this one I really like. I just wish I could have a normal relationship where someone really...(more) 6-20-2015 1:53pm
        appreciated and loves
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        • ^^^loved me. I fear that chance has completely passed for me 6-20-2015 1:54pm
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  18. Cleveland I'm getting separated...will still live together part time for kids. How will this affect my married affair?...(more) 6-20-2015 12:24am (8 replies)
    I worry about telling him, worry he might think I'll want more or whatever. How do I keep status quo?
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    • He doesn't care about you, so as long as you keep having sex with him, he's fine 6-20-2015 12:25am
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      • I hope so because that's all I want right now. We are great friends now, very close. I don't want him to think this will change things 6-20-2015 12:27am
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    • I was in this position and was very honest with my affair. Not sure why that is so hard. 6-20-2015 12:26am
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      • What's your situation now? 6-20-2015 12:27am
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        • I am divorced. He and I are off and on. Currently off. He is still married. (Which is why we are off.) 6-20-2015 12:34am
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          • does he often go through bouts of marriage and non-marriage? 6-20-2015 2:39am
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            • Haha. He is back and forth on leaving. 6-20-2015 1:20pm
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    • Can you tell me more about separating but living together part time? Logistically how does that work 6-21-2015 1:55pm
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  19. Cleveland He has a nice wife, I have a nice husband. But we're made for each other sexually. The sex is exhilarating. He gets turned on by cheating, so do I. Then we go home to our spouses. 6-19-2015 11:56pm (3 replies)
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    • yawn 6-20-2015 12:23am
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    • Cheating sex is exhilarating. You weren't made for each other. 6-20-2015 7:45am
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    • Love it! Wish you were in the NYC area. Ironically I think your kind of arrangement can make a marriage stronger! 6-20-2015 5:03pm
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  20. Cleveland I think I might feel less guilty about affair if I worked instead of sah 6-19-2015 8:31pm (3 replies)
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    • why? 6-19-2015 9:11pm
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    • who are you cheating wiht? 6-19-2015 10:38pm
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    • because your SO supports you both financially? 6-23-2015 12:45am
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  21. Cleveland I'm having a slight mid life crisis. Just turned 40. How do I stop this? 6-18-2015 2:55pm (23 replies)
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    • Stop what, specifically? 6-18-2015 2:56pm
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      • The booze, the sex, the impulsive decisions. 6-18-2015 2:57pm
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    • The healthiest thing to do would be to find things that you find to be fun or fulfilling 6-18-2015 2:56pm
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      • So besides drinking and having sex? 6-18-2015 2:56pm
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        • ^^op: oh wait. Will have to stop drinking bc im fucking prediabetic. 6-18-2015 2:57pm
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        • At the risk of being a huge hypocrite... yes. 6-18-2015 2:57pm
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          • Lol. I'm buzzed now. I'm quickly falling down the rabbit hole here 6-18-2015 2:58pm
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            • Let's address the drinking, first. This seems like it might be a bigger deal. Are you often buzzed in the mid-afternoon? 6-18-2015 2:59pm
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              • Ha. No. Never. I have to stop drinking bc of pre diabetic...(more) 6-18-2015 3:04pm
                So this is my last hurrah. Also stood up by newish affair today. Just having a moment so to say.
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                • That's rough. I'm sorry. I'm glad that you're going to quit drinking. But you really should find something that makes you happy. Life is short. 6-18-2015 3:05pm
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                  • It is. So fucking short. Basically I'm just dreadfully unhappy and my usual outlet who I would talk to is unavailable and so here I am. Having a bad moment. 6-18-2015 3:06pm
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                    • what's making you unhappy? 6-18-2015 3:07pm
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                      • Life. I'm in therapy. Sad new person just went Mia today. My health has been dreadful. Found out today I'm prediabetic. I'm just in crisis right now. Thank you for listening. 6-18-2015 3:10pm
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                        • No problem. What makes you happy? 6-18-2015 3:11pm
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                          • Being alone. 6-18-2015 3:12pm
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                            • Are you in a position where you can go for a walk? Go have a cup of coffee? Maybe flirt with someone at the coffee shop 6-18-2015 3:14pm
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                              • No. I have to go and get the kids from school. 6-18-2015 3:15pm
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                                • kids.... always getting in the way. Well, I'm almost glad you got stood up. He's a fool and doesn't deserve you. 6-18-2015 3:17pm
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                                  • Eh. It's only been a week. But I guess that's it. I've never been stood up before. Shorty feeling. 6-18-2015 4:00pm
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    • do something for YOU!! 6-18-2015 2:56pm
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    • take this moment to realize affairs suck. this is your rock bottom, only up from here. 6-19-2015 12:37am
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      • Here's the thing - this one now is pretty good. 6-19-2015 1:07am
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  22. Cleveland Did your affair ever flake on you regarding a meeting? 6-18-2015 2:47pm (4 replies)
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    • No, but I have to travel to see him so it would have to be a HUGE deal for him to back out. 6-18-2015 2:49pm
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      • Well that's a great point. My previous was ld. This one is local and just completely flaked and I'm like wtf!? 6-18-2015 2:51pm
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    • No. If he had I would have been done. He doesn't get to stand you up and then see you again. Be done. 6-19-2015 3:09pm
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    • Yes. And that was the beginning of the end, since worse behavior followed. 6-23-2015 8:11pm
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  23. Cleveland On the verge of reaching out. wtf? ive been so good. 6-18-2015 10:19am (6 replies)
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  24. Cleveland Can't believe I fell for his BS 6-17-2015 9:52pm (7 replies)
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    • Ditto. Now that I'm out I wonder what I was thinking. He was such a fuck up. 6-17-2015 10:44pm
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      • I'm not fully in, but, starting to see signs things are not quite right 6-17-2015 10:51pm
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        • I was in for a while. But he has serious issues. Happy to be out and enjoying someone new with no drama 6-17-2015 10:57pm
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          • what were the issues? I'm wondering about this guy 6-17-2015 11:12pm
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            • Complete ego maniac and an inability to think he was EVER wrong. 6-17-2015 11:19pm
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              • np: lol. I know both of you. 6-19-2015 8:35am
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    • Me neither! Met a few like that. Good riddance! 6-23-2015 8:16pm
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  25. Cleveland Anyone successfully alter their daily routine to get away from ex-affair? New job, gym, apartment etc? Looking for inspiration. 6-17-2015 12:38pm (13 replies)
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    • You don't need to change any of those, you need to change your mind. 6-17-2015 12:39pm
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      • That's very inspirational, but I really don't need to see him or his wife or any of the other people he might pursue next. 6-17-2015 12:42pm
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        • How do you know him? Where do you see him? 6-17-2015 1:06pm
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          • Don't want to say. But we met somewhere close to my house. 6-17-2015 1:10pm
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    • It won't work. 6-17-2015 1:05pm
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      • Say more? 6-17-2015 1:10pm
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        • Just keep reading Cleveland and you'll see all the ways people try to get out of their affair. You really think going to a new gym will stop you? 6-17-2015 3:10pm
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          • I'm not using it to get out of my affair. I would do it to avoid the pain of seeing him when we're no longer together. 6-17-2015 3:36pm
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            • Have you ended it? Is it realistic to get out of whatever situation you are in? Work gym neighborhood or whatever 6-17-2015 3:39pm
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    • Yep. I got a job in another town. He moved across the country. But neither were successful in ending it. 6-17-2015 5:47pm
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      • still together? 6-17-2015 5:48pm
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        • Off and on. It's very hard. 6-17-2015 8:11pm
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    • The sun still rises, even through the pain 6-17-2015 9:50pm
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